Flux Capacitor 2: What is known

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So I tried the basic design of my last flux capacitor post and it didn't really work.  I did one relatively positive electrode and one relatively negative electrode and put a capacitor between them.  Turns out mabye they weren't all that dissimilar as some triboelectric series show polyurethane and plastic wrap right next to eachother but other series show them at opposite ends of the spectrum (polyurethane and LDPE).  Anyway I tried with polyurethane and aluminum as well and those also didn't really work.  Sometimes they would gain charge up to mabye 50mv but then discharge themselves.  I sort of noticed this as well with my ungrounded tribogon trials as well so no real progress from that.  However with my dad I found out that having one electrode connected to a capacitor and the other end of the capacitor attached to ground it works consistently (the diagram with a star shown below).  That starred diagram is the only one I know for sure works.  So with that knowlege I sketched up more likely workable multielectrode flux capacitors.  Well it is pretty darn hard to get any + materials to stick to a current collector like aluminum foil so perhaps a series of negative only electrodes would be something, see last pic.  Anyway here are some plausible diagrams for possible flux capacitor designs.

Grounded triboelectric nanogenerator this design was inspired by http://www.nanoscience.gatech.edu/paper/2014/14_AFM_06.pdf

I'm trying to think how to ground something without it being attached to ground and the perspiration effect may work but perhaps it only works if the electrodes are positive as the broken hydrogen bonds will release negative charges.

Negative options are PFA and FEP and Teflon and Positive options are Polyimide film (actually polyimide appears negative too)

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